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Fil Arun · Jan 24, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

I still don't understand what you were trying to say in your original post, can you clarify?

ensoriki · Jan 24, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Guild Wars you are still the most skilled "mmo" (the "mmo" implies gw is not a true Mmo).

Topic starts out how he left GW to Play Wow...story time
He tells how many/all/whatever people in WoW are stupid

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Anyways... I can't help but stress enough dimwits in WoW actually try to kill someone who is carrying the flag in a capture the flag match, but nobody goes for the heale

What has he used for an example that GW is the most skilled mmo?
World of Warcraft.

.....Rolling Out >.>

Now at the end of the topic he ends with 2 questions

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I guess my question is.. Do people still play this game PvP wise? Or are the elitists left to fight amongst themselves in HA while all the rest left somewhere else?

Did we even need a story for these 2 questions?
About how Wow pvp players are inferior to Guild Wars players?
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Oh and to the OP's question.
Yes people still play the game pvp wise, if you count RA and AB as pvp.

Balan Makki · Jan 25, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

ANet doesn't have anything like that, so the trolls are forced to spread themselves.

I knew Arena Net was up to something, insidious Spreading of Trolls, That's what we get instead of

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I'm saying the (huge) majority of people on the forums are idiots

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean here.

You can invest untold hours in to GW and develop your character and it will always be your character. In WoW you have to pay to keep your investment, even if you only want to play a few times a month--you will have to pay to keep your time invested.

Blizzard's Next MMO will be a Guild Wars Clone.

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To assume that so many people are not enjoying WoW is very upsetting.

As I stated earlier the line between too much fun and addiction is very blurred. It can be very upsetting to the unsuspecting.

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Believe it or not people actually do have fun with it, a *lot* of fun.

You call it fun, but for many, I call it boarder-line or full-blown addiction.

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Not everyone manages their time correctly with it, true, but you can be easily hooked if you love the game. That's why WoW is so easy to point at: Not only do people manage their times incorrectly, but their spending money to do so.

Agreed, and that is why WoW's Evercrack formula does what it does--sucking away lives with stimulus addiction much like a gambling addiction, all in the name of FUN. Too much FUN.

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Again, it's gonna be the quality and what you like in a game that get's you hooked.

WoW is the Grand Master of Quality Grind and has cornered the market here.

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There have been numerous people here who've stated about "how addicted they are to Guild Wars." How do you perceive that?

There have been a few, yes, but if they choose the can try and quit without penalty. In WoW if you choose to quit you loose all access to that invested time, you loose your place in the Great Grinding Gear Race, you loose you usefulness as a pier of equal Stat Standing, all your time invested is completely negated. Were the game played for fun and stats meant very little? . . . Those finding Stats the primary draw of WoW are addicts in truth, and pehaps suffering blind denial as well.

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And since we're quoting WoW forums here, I'll try leaving with this.

You see, there really are not thousands of threads like this in GW: Good bye to WoW

Nor are there documented family freak-outs like this (yet) in GW:

WoW's effect on Family Life.
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Freakout, Keyboard Murder

You make GW2 like WoW and you'll have a lot of people with WoW-like symptoms and Boob Tube Vids like above.

Sure GW has the occasional posts stating that "I'm addicted and my grades are suffering" yada, yada. But GW was not designed to addict its player, WoW was.

6am3 Fana71c · Jan 25, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

... thousands of threads like this in GW: Good bye to WoW

Nor are there documented family freak-outs like this (yet) in GW:

WoW's effect on Family Life.
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Freakout, Keyboard Murder

You make GW2 like WoW and you'll have a lot of people with WoW-like symptoms and Boob Tube Vids like above.

Sure GW has the occasional posts stating that "I'm addicted and my grades are suffering" yada, yada. But GW was not designed to addict its player, WoW was.

Oh Gawd, now I saw everything. Makes me appreciate my life more :P

Bryant Again · Jan 25, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

I knew Arena Net was up to something, insidious Spreading of Trolls, That's what we get instead of You can invest untold hours in to GW and develop your character and it will always be your character. In WoW you have to pay to keep your investment, even if you only want to play a few times a month--you will have to pay to keep your time invested.

So...I don't have to pay a subscription fee or have to continue playing to enjoy GW. True. I also don't have to do any of that for every single game on my computer shelf, or for my XBox or Playstation. All that you've stated above can be said of every offline or singleplayer RPG. I don't see why GW is so different.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Blizzard's Next MMO will be a Guild Wars Clone.

Since I feel like GW is more akin to Diablo than any MMO, I'm going to safely assume that Blizzard will make a Diablo clone, and that they'll call it Diablo 3.

Let's just hope it's released a long time after. Having to compete with a new Diablo would be terrible for ANet.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

You see, there really are not thousands of threads like this in GW: Good bye to WoW

In GW? Well no because it doesn't have it's own forum. In GWG? All I know is that the HA forum has been pretty pissed off for a looong time now. And ask any old-time PvPer who will say that the PvP is no where as good as it was a long time ago (losing your most devoted and old players isn't a good thing).

But that's not why I posted that link:

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

You make GW2 like WoW and you'll have a lot of people with WoW-like symptoms and Boob Tube Vids like above.

No I'm not, actually. No where in any of my posts did I imply that GW2 will keep people "addicted" or have the same grinding mechanisms as WoW. I brought that "Why Do You Play WoW?" thread in to show not everyone on those forums are pissing and moaning (suprisingly). How did you conclude that I was relating it to GW???

Since we're linking Youtube as well, I'll link this. Clearly something must be done about this : I.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Sure GW has the occasional posts stating that "I'm addicted and my grades are suffering" yada, yada. But GW was not designed to addict its player, WoW was.

Not at the beginning, no. But thanks due to titles, we're seeing a lot more people doing things like this thread shows.

Faer · Jan 25, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

Everything in that post really gives me the feeling that the people you play with are bad at WoW PvP, sorry. The fact that the people you play with don't understand how to win matches effectively doesn't mean GW is better (though this statement should not be taken as to mean WoW is better, either). Right now, both games are in a state of "dear god somebody spoon out my eyes". GW because of a stagnant meta and irrational balancing (sorry Izzy, but I really have no clue what you have been smoking lately), and WoW because Warlocks and Beast Mastery are still broken.

Then again, WoW is primarily a PvE game that is starting to really turn into what can be a great PvP experience for some (get a good guild to get the good gear, QQ moar, etc), whereas GW was a primarily competitive (hesitant to say PvP) game that is now becoming a PvE title grindfest while we wait for the WoWclone that ArenaNet has decided to produce instead.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Whilst waiting on another health potion, you could probably hit the mana potion and watch that bar fly up

Potions are on a two minute global cooldown, so no, you can't. Besides, Potions aren't that great in PvP anyway.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

you will have to pay to keep your time invested.

Not entirely true, as you can cancel and renew your subscription at any time without losing your characters. However, the subscription model does make it a bit more troublesome to pick-up-and-go, which is one of the things about GW that everyone seems to like so much.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Blizzard's Next MMO will be a Guild Wars Clone.

My sources says you are incorrect in that assumption.

Balan Makki · Jan 25, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

So...I don't have to pay a subscription fee or have to continue playing to enjoy GW. True. I also don't have to do any of that for every single game on my computer shelf, or for my XBox or Playstation. All that you've stated above can be said of every offline or singleplayer RPG. I don't see why GW is so different.

Take a closer look at what you just said.

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Since I feel like GW is more akin to Diablo than any MMO, I'm going to safely assume that Blizzard will make a Diablo clone, and that they'll call it Diablo 3.

Won't happen, especially with the Evercrack bunch in charge at Blizzard. And the fact that anyone who was worth anything in the development of Diablo are now gainfully employed at Arena Net and Flagship Studios.

Blizzard's Next MMO will be a GW clone.

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How did you conclude that I was relating it to GW???

Wasn't this thread about GW still requiring Skill, where WoW requires Grind to succeed?

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Since we're linking Youtube as well, I'll link this. Clearly something must be done about this : I.

Not intentional, Blizzards Evercrack formula is--from day one.

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Not at the beginning, no. But thanks due to titles, we're seeing a lot more people doing things like this thread shows.

Tragic. But You do not have to do any of this to enjoy the game, you can still play with anyone you choose, not so in WoW, you can still take time off, months at a time, and remain competitive in PvP and PvE, you can play occasionally without a monthly ransom fee. I can spend the next two years working for some titles, without a single grind involved, simply because I choose to spread out my play time. The primary thrust of this thread, the OPs point of view, simply boils down to WoW being nothing more than Sugar Coated Evercrack. In WoW it's Grind for the Win!!

snoopypup248 · Jan 25, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Quality not quantity. It' has better PvP than other mmo's because of pre-protting etc. Takes more skill than to hit a health potion.

Even though many people complain about a "low level cap" it allows players to compete in PvP fairly and equally.

Bryant Again · Jan 25, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Won't happen, especially with the Evercrack bunch in charge at Blizzard.

If that's true, then I guess there won't be a Starcraft 2.

...wait.

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Wasn't this thread about GW still requiring Skill, where WoW requires Grind to succeed?

True, but then it got derailed. What else would you expect from a WoW vs. GW thread?

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Not intentional. Blizzards Evercrack formula is, from day one.

The links you posted made it out to seem that WoW is causing major damage. I posted the Soccer Riots link to show that things like this have been going on for awhile and, some might say, in a much more damaging effect (I'd rather get yelled at by my kid than see him try to fight the riot squad.)

Lhim · Jan 25, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

An oldie

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Guild Wars vs WOW

zwitterion · Jan 25, 2008, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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But thanks due to titles, we're seeing a lot more people doing things like this thread shows.

Seems fairly clear that titles were simply added for the masochistic players who were thinking they needed more grind in their lives and might've been thinking of converting to WoW

. Seriously tho the way they're implemented supports Balan's argument rather than refutes it. Like elite armor, titles are endgame content for hard- and firm-core players and have, quite specifically, little to no impact on your ability to access the game's content. If anything, titles are a great example of GW's clear decision to value skill and player engagement over time and player persistence.

Bryant Again · Jan 25, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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titles are a great example of GW's clear decision to value skill and player engagement over time and player persistence.

That's a little less so due to Ursan Blessing and the like. I agree with you save for that annoying circumstance.